Thursday, 02 July 2009

  • I Want A Guy with ADD!

     

    It is a bad time to be a boy in America.  Our culture has turned against the masculine essence.  There is an idea that the aggressive nature of boys is bad and we have to turn them into something more like girls. 

     

    A teacher spends the day trying to get her boy students to sit still, keep quiet, and pay attention; but that is not the way a boy is wired; not the way a boy learns.  We might as well hold back the tide.  Rather than change the way we do male education, we try to change the boys. 

     

    Maybe boys don't have ADD - they simply enjoy moving around and assertive activities.  Boys, as a group, always prefer loud, mobile, boisterous activity.  Schools are set up for females.  There are at least 3 to 4 times as many boys than girls are said to have ADD.  But perhaps those boys are just defined as "ill" because their preferred patters of play don't fit easily into the structure of schools.  Well-meaning psycho-mangers then prescribe tranquilizing drugs for Add.  The situation is scandalous.

     

    The use of ADD offsetting drugs is so disproportionate among boys and girls.  This seems to show the school authorities' lack of understanding of gender differences - the only "disease" these boys have is being male.

     

    A stallion is wild and dangerous.  Yet magnificent to behold.  You can calm that stallion by castrating him, but then he becomes dull and unable to give life.  It would seem, in the same way, schools are cutting boys down; making them less useful, less magnificent.

     

    It is a bad time to be a boy in America.  I hope every girl can find herself a man who was, as a boy, diagnosed with ADD.

     

    - excerpts from John Eldridge -

     

Comments (33)

  • mrcolorful

    The man makes some good points.

    I remember when I was a kid, I would do things that helped me to learn and that apparently would distract the teacher or made the teachers think it was distracting the other kids (based on talking to the other kids, none of them were paying attention anyway or if they were then I wasn't distracting at all) so I kept being told to do different things like sit still and be quiet which were the equivalent of telling me to time travel back to ancient Greece and have a discussion in Ancient Greek with Socrates.  Heck, all these years later, I still struggle with the concepts of sitting still and being quiet, they just don't seem right.

  • TheTheologiansCafe
  • XDaemonessX

    My husband was diagnosed with ADD when he was younger (only he really does have difficulties with it but he's not medicated for it) and as an adult, he is very gentlemanlike.  Sure he has his downfalls like playing video games and acting like a teenager sometimes, but when it really matters he is the perfect gentleman; opening doors for me, carrying the heavy stuff, holding my hand going up and down stairs, etc.  He was medicated when he was in school and it really did help him learn, but it upsets me that they throw the disease around so easily now because people like my husband who actually HAVE the disease are made to look like fakes and attention whores.  He is neither... lol  I can tell a difference between somenone who is 'diagnosed add' and someone who actually has the disease a lot of the times.  So many kids these days are walking around like zombies and they don't need to be.  It's sad really.

  • wolvenchic

    I have a man with add....and I have it myself.

  • SimplyNita

    I feel like doctors easily diagnose people these days. 

  • DanishDoll

    I am married to a guy with ADD. In college, it took him twice as long to study and write papers because of his focusing problems. He got very good grades, but they cost him so much. Kids with ADD are more than just boisterous. They are frustrated and unable to hold their concentration for very long. I do understand that boys are active. I was a school teacher in the lower grades for years! But, when a child struggles so to take in information, I am thankful there are medications which can help them. My husband never had them. He was always called lazy, disruptive and was "not working up to his potential." I do think some kids are diagnosed with ADD who do not have it, but for those who really do, I am glad that now help is available.

  • Keeko1

    we've become a "therapeutic society"

  • josiebunny

    Thanks for posting this. Very true. 

  • SunnyMitsu

    @mrcolorful - haha...you always have such a fun way of saying things.  I agree with this dude, too.  His book, Wild At Heart is so good...even though it's really meant for guys.


    @TheTheologiansCafe -   I think so too!


    @XDaemonessX -   I agree.  My husband was also diagnosed with it as a child.  And he was given drugs.  He refuses to take them now because he doesn't see anything wrong with being himself, which I respect.  I can tell he has it at times, but I really don't think it's a big deal.  And, like you, I can tell when people are just saying they have it to get attention.


    @wolvenchic - My husband has it, too.


    @Secret_Qt - @SimplyNita - I agree.


    @DanishDoll - I suppose if I had a child with ADD, I would say that same as you.  Though I don't have a child with ADD, my husband has it.  He took drugs in school to help him concentrate because, as you described, he couldn't take in information well without it. 


    @josiebunny - You're welcome.  Thanks!

  • kpsmom3

    @DanishDoll - Very well said. 


    Two of my three kids have ADD.  I was against medicating them until the day I heard my son (age 7 at that point) praying and crying in the bedroom (he had gotten in trouble for not listening repeatedly that day).  All I heard was "I don't want to be a bad boy."  It still brings tears to my eyes to think about it.  He's such a good kid, but he needs the extra help.  Also, he couldn't read halfway through first grade.  We started him on meds over Christmas break.  By the end of the first marking period in second grade he was one of the best readers in his class.  He just couldn't focus long enough to learn it.  Thanks to his meds (and Garfield books!) he now LOVES reading.  We leave him unmedicated as much as possible to allow him to learn to cope with the symptoms but certain situations and some bad days he just has to have the extra help.


    My daughter...well, she would just forget her head if it wasn't attached!  She doesn't have the hyper problem so much as just plain inattentive.


    But to the original point...I do agree that not eveyone learns the same.  If my son were in an environment where he was allowed to move and didn't have to be quiet it would be much easier for him.  However, the world doesn't work that way.  As much as it frustrates me to admit it there is a good chance that as an adult he's going to need to know how to sit down and be quiet.  The key with ADHD kids is to find something that they really love and push them in that direction because when they really enjoy something they have a crazy ability to hyper focus on it.  My daughter may not be able to find her book report (after she spent HOURS writing it), but to get her to put the book down when she's reading it...yeah, not gonna happen!

  • Lynnjynh9315

    You display a complete lack of understand of what ADD actually is.

    First off, there is no such thing as ADD... it is called ADHD. Secondly, what you are describing is "HYPERACTIVITY"- not ADHD. ADHD can come with the accompaniment of Hyperactivity or without- the two are not mutually inclusive. And on another note: ADHD IS NOT A DISEASE!! It's a disorder- learn the difference!!

    Finally, you seem to think that ADHD is defined by hyperactive behavior- this is not true at all. ADHD is much broader than that. I, for example, have an extremely hard time focusing on a person talking when there are other noises in close proximity. Most people can focus on one sound, but for an ADHD individual, these sounds are hopelessly jumbled together- a type of "sensory overload", if you will. I can actually get bad headaches by being in a crowded room full of people talking... I just can't handle it. There's too many sounds at one time and I can't focus on any one of them even if I wanted to.

    I must say, I'm highly disappointed that so many people are still so ignorant of this subject. Become educated before you start talking about something you don't know enough about.

  • quicksandbuddy

    I totally agree. All that deprogramming probably made me the wuss I am today. And I actually am taking pills for ADD. I would make a joke about them depriving me of my manhood, but I actually have trouble concentrating and paying attention. Even with the pills I constantly find myself tapping my foot and flipping my pencil through my fingers and drawing during class (sometimes all at the same time).

    I can tell that @kpsmom3 must really have a son with ADD because I've always had those same problems. I love to read, but I often get bored if the writing style stays the same or a character is in one place for too long. I couldn't read the Lord of the Rings because it took Frodo three frickin' chapters just to move out of the Shire. It's pretty much the same thing with video games. I rarely ever finish one before starting another. I don't know how many games I have yet to finish.

  • godfatherofgreenbay

    Thanks for sharing.  When I saw the title I was thinking where do I sign up.  I wasn't diagnosed as a child.  When I couldn't sit still or pay attention as a child it was called "being naughty" or "having ants in my pants".  While I college I went in to a local hospital for free mental health screening and they diagnosed me with ADD and right away they wanted to start me on medicine.  I laughed and said no.

  • Nerevar_The_Incarnate

    It seems everyone here hates the medication and the school of thought is that it numbs you into dull acquiescence. This was true for Ritalin, but there are other meds that provide marvelous assistance to those who have ADHD.

    Adderall XR is a pretty effective medication, as is the relatively new Vyvanse. I've tried them both (Adderall xr for 3 years, and I started using Vyvanse a couple of months ago.), and the effects are absolutely NOTHING like what most folk seem to believe. Both allow me to use my frenetic and hummingbird-esque behavior to spectacular advantage. It doesn't force any sort of "trance"; in fact, if you're a lazy sod before you try meds, you'll stay that way unless you want to change.

    @Lynnjynh9315 - Spectacular response, good sir!

  • DanishDoll

    @kpsmom3 - I am so happy that we know more about this condition now and kids who need it can get help. My husband now uses Ritalin occasionally when he writes. He has written one book and just finished another!

  • SunnyMitsu

    @kpsmom3 - You're right on when you talk about kids with ADD having something they love to do to focus on!  They can be outstanding at things they love where things they don't care so much about cause them to lose interest incredibly quickly.  Great comment! 

  • SunnyMitsu

    @Lynnjynh9315 - Thanks for the information on ADHD.  As the bottom of this post says, I got this information from author John Eldridge.  I'm not trying to upset anyone.  I'm sorry if my post gave you the impressions that I am an ignorant person.  My husband and his brother both have ADHD, so I do know what it entails.  


    FYI:  (my apologies if you already know this) ADD is still commonly recognized as an issue (http://www.add.org/), though it has been removed from the current version of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychological Disorders), which means it is no longer considered a disorder.  However, ADD still exists; it has simpy been reclassified as a symptom that may lead to a disorder rather than a disorder in-and-of itself.  In a nutshell, anyway.


    Perhaps Eldridge didn't present all the facts on ADD or ADHD, but I don't think that was his intent.  I think his higher purpose for writing this was to show that boys (as his book was geared toward guys) often have a different style of learning that is not addressed in our school system.


    Thanks again for the information!

  • SunnyMitsu

    @quicksandbuddy - My husband used to take pills during school so he could concentrate.  But he doesn't take them now.  I don't see anything wrong with taking them if they help.  Thanks for stopping by!


    @godfatherofgreenbay - Haha.


    @Nerevar_The_Incarnate - Thanks for sharing!!

  • IamDonnaC

    WOW!  Quite a lot of opinions around here.  I don't have one about ADD but I will say I loved that book Wild at Heart is great.  The companion book written by his wife is called Captivating.  It is also a good book. 

  • SunnyMitsu

    @IamDonnaC - I'm reading Wild At Heart right now.  (As you obviously guessed...haha)  I read Captivating a few weeks ago and absolutely LOVED it!  I think it's a book every girl should read and would truly enjoy reading whether or not she is a Christian.  (It's nice to know that you've read the same books )

  • EndlessDepths

    @SunnyMitsu - I don't know anything about ADD or ADHD, so I can't really express an opinion on them. I do know that I agree schools handle the learning (and personality) differences between genders quite poorly. I'm currently studying to be a teacher, actually, and in several of the education classes I've taken we've had a lot of discussion on these differences, and even possibly misdiagnosed cases of ADD and ADHD.


    But really, I mostly wanted to say that I appreciate the way you handled that rather harsh comment left earlier. I always enjoy when people handle disagreements with respect and dignity. It seems that both of those things are a rarity nowadays. Anyway, that's all I've got.


    Continued success,


    ~Stephen K.

  • Mr_Jin

    Makes me want to grab my crotch yell at the top of my lungs.

  • mrcolorful

    @SunnyMitsu - I'll have to check out that book sometime.

  • theblackspiderman

    I was a pretty hyper kid...I'm glad my parents never went for that. 

  • SunnyMitsu

    @EndlessDepths - That's so cool that you're becomming a teacher.  That is one of the careers I most admire.  Thanks for the appreciation - It warmed my heart to read!    I can tell you will make a good teacher.  (And maybe even help make the education system a little better than it already is! )

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